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((The Role Play Guild Masters))

    • 47 posts
    October 21, 2011 8:43:01 PM EDT

    As Role Play continues to change and flow throughout the alliance side of role play I am thinking that if there is not a gathering of guild masters there should be. This would allow us to unify our attempts to establish a creative and fun world while sorting through any disagreements. Obviously not every guild master of a role playing guild could be invited - there are some that have proven themselves beyond reasoning with. 

     

    Anyway just a thought from a small pup in the dog kernel. I would love input from the superpowers of our server (aka. kino, Kelsus, Flixle, etc.).

    • 126 posts
    October 21, 2011 8:58:41 PM EDT
    I would like to know what are we establishing exactly? Also to note, I assume this is only an a quick or long sort of gathering?

    Also having the GM's of the RP guilds of the realm gather maybe a good idea to get an outline of eachother guild's activites and movements.
  • October 21, 2011 9:18:48 PM EDT
    Isn't that the exact purpose of this network?
    • 47 posts
    October 21, 2011 9:19:07 PM EDT

    the idea as it stands is an once a month meeting, time wise I am not sure - it would depend on how much we need to discuss (which would probably vary based on the numbers of members along with their overall ambitions). And what we are establishing is a coalition to try and develop organized and well thought out role play. As a body we could handle any nut jobs that try and bully their way around and discuss any grievances between groups with the rest of the GM's acting as a third party mediation.

     

    And whereas this server does offer that means, the gathering would be further structured and limited in that it would only be the GM's. Basically the GM's represent their guilds interests and try to work together to see those interests come to fruition.


    This post was edited by Kayonie Striker at October 21, 2011 9:21:24 PM EDT
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    October 21, 2011 9:40:17 PM EDT
    We've tried this before, the Alliance Vanguard. It was during the Shattering and lasted a few months after that. But then again, it was more of an In-character coalition.

    I assume this is Out of Character? And if I may ask, who will lead these events?
    • 47 posts
    October 21, 2011 9:52:14 PM EDT
    It would strictly be OOC, and the moderator would rotate per meeting/month. During that month the GM would not be allowed to give a say in regards to his own guild, this would create an imbalance except that each GM serves at some point so the imbalance is evened out.
  • October 21, 2011 11:03:58 PM EDT
    Also, not all of the guild masters were invited to the Vanguard. It seemed like quite the elitist little cult, as an outsider looking in.
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    October 21, 2011 11:32:00 PM EDT
    I am not sure how we would go about that. Obviously there are those I would not be willing to include, one of which would be Ardrex of the NFG.
  • October 22, 2011 6:40:56 AM EDT
    Please note Flixle is the IC leader of the Guard, and, Varlun, who is basically 2nd-in-command ICly, is the actual -Guild Master-.
    • 47 posts
    October 22, 2011 10:37:55 AM EDT
    well. one of y'all would be wanted to represent the interests of the SWG :p
    • 303 posts
    October 22, 2011 1:11:38 PM EDT

    One note of caution is that efforts like these are often great by concept and good intentions, but fraught with ego or vague purpose. Pulling together GMs and creative minds is a great idea, but without clear goals in mind, it tends to stumble early on.

     

    Finally, including some GMs and excluding others can create OOC drama, as Alysdair recounted with the Alliance Vanguard effort from months ago.

     

    So have a few goals in mind for the first meeting, and lay down the ground rules early to keep egos in their cages. It seems you already have a few (rotating mediator, etc), so some more brainstorming is needed to give this idea more solid execution.

    • 47 posts
    October 22, 2011 1:37:21 PM EDT
    The only GM I personally would like to not attend is Ardrex of the Northfold Gang. As for goals right now it is to allow for interguild interaction on a clear cut method. And really a big portion of this is to get people talking and planning. I cannot think of everything that would be needed (as I am one of the young GMs in ER alliance picture), So I created the forum topic for us to muse over :)
    • 41 posts
    October 22, 2011 3:06:23 PM EDT

    Some of the leaders of some of the RP guilds.

     

    Adabelle - Alliance Postal Service
    Alysdair - Blackdawn
    Arialynn - Templars of the Rose
    Brenaan - Rebel Dogs
    Bromie - The Brotherhood of Stone
    Dazie - But Mostly Donuts
    Devons - Clergy of the Holy Light
    Dragonfang - Vigilantes of Azeroth
    Drahliana - Moonwood Rangers
    Elspet - Swords and Spells United
    Emberfall - The Grey Lodge
    Fraxinus - The Sunrise Brake
    Feriness - The Violet Reliquary
    Glohin - Mercenaries of Iron Hill
    Grakkath - House Frostclaw
    Hygelak - Order of the Ebon Circle
    Jalstead - Elemental Defenders
    Kayonie - Veni Vidi Vici
    Kelsus - Conjurers Court
    Kilaa - Polar Light
    Kino - Zephyr Trading Co
    Kynav - House Shadowcrest
    Luciendare - Blackwood Wardens
    Marely - The Dark Order
    Monroe - The Phantom Legion
    Mossclaw - Deep Forest Caravan
    Noctlis - Voice of Umbra
    Norogate - Imago Mentis Academy
    Rightosdruid - The Forgetten Few
    Slagbeard - The Obsidium Brotherhood
    Storms - The Forgotten Few
    Tharion - Netherbane
    Twigget - Cadre of Assassins
    Varlun - The Stormwind Guard
    Xano - Bethrian Guard


    This post was edited by Crier Hotfix at October 22, 2011 3:14:16 PM EDT
    • 47 posts
    October 22, 2011 3:27:14 PM EDT
    I can start going down the list to see if there is interest in such a gathering.
    • 41 posts
    October 22, 2011 3:28:01 PM EDT
    Would the primary goal of these meetings be to arrange RP plots? To give smaller/newer guilds an opportunity to be heard on an equal platform with the more well-established guilds? To discuss common RP goals?

    For instance, people like Kino or Adabelle could explain what their guilds do and how other guilds could make use of their services.

    Or, there's been talk of revitalizing the taverns. Everyone could talk about what sort of role their guild might be willing to take in that process.

    Leaders of newer or lesser-known guilds could network with the other guilds and toss out ideas for inter-guild RP.

    Would this take place in a raid group? Here on the Network in a private chatroom?
    • 41 posts
    October 22, 2011 3:30:25 PM EDT
    If a guild master can't make the meeting one month, would a guild officer be welcome in her place? Or is this for guild leaders only? Could a regular guild representative be appointed to attend these meetings?
    • 303 posts
    October 22, 2011 4:11:18 PM EDT

    Kayonie, don't take either my input or Hotfix's as harsh. Text tends to remove tone from the equation - I personally do not like to see good ideas flounder when they go live. Ideals are fantastic, but always go through a bumpy growth process as they are applied to reality.

     

    G'luck, and if you any questions about some of the things I've expressed, please don't hesitate to contact me via the ERN or ingame.

    • 47 posts
    October 22, 2011 4:12:57 PM EDT
    I would say that the officer would be welcome in the GMs place and that he would have the same rights as his GM in that situation. I would say it would be good to do in raid.

    As for the purpose. I would say it is both for the larger guilds to offer their services, and the smaller to try and plug themselves in. I would like to see us implement a few standards inside of our RP (E.G. Try to get an agreement to plead with our members to whisper before attacking someone).
    • 41 posts
    October 22, 2011 4:34:38 PM EDT
    Arialynn Maewood said:

    Kayonie, don't take either my input or Hotfix's as harsh.

     

    No, no. That's not my intention at all, and I apologize if I sound off in tone. I'm just trying to throw out ideas and develop goals. Brainstorming, I guess, to see where everyone wants to go with this.

    • 47 posts
    October 22, 2011 4:43:45 PM EDT
    I totally agree and understand! I really appreciate that and that your not just tossing it away as some stupid idea from the young kid on the block. :) I really hope we can build up ER RP on the alliance side.
  • October 22, 2011 5:10:13 PM EDT
    I don't mean to offend Kay, but you didn't address the question I posted at the top of the thread. I don't see the purpose of having an OOC in-game gathering when we can use the network to communicate on a regular basis. You also seem to be insinuating that's there's some sort of disfunction or lack of communication between the various guilds and leaders. If I want to talk about something with a guild leader, it's as simple as whispering them or making a post here on the forums. Your intentions are good and I commend you for that, but it's just not a practical idea.
    • 47 posts
    October 22, 2011 6:04:23 PM EDT
    1. As a young GM I didn't know half of the guilds hotfix stated above existed. I still don't really know what those guilds are about.

    2. I still don't know their purpose inside of the ER community. A monthly gathering would allow me to better understand the purpose of certain RP guilds and how to interact with them.

    3. A monthly gathering would allow us to discuss goals short and long term for our small groups in a manner that a mere forum cannot.

    4. Having ERN does not mean that it has brought in the scope of the RPers on our server. My case on this point would be that in the Guild Master forum thread, there are 20 different guild recruitment pages setup for horde and alliance. Now if you look at the list Hotfix provided I am sure you will find more than 20 names on the alliance side alone. Simply put, the ERN has not reached everyone. there is a practical purpose to having a meeting and that is far greater exposer from all the guilds involved to interact and work together.

    I do not mean to be rude. And I am sure my wording is far more aggressive than I mean it to be, but to be quite frank I see plenty of reason to create such a meeting.
    • 51 posts
    October 22, 2011 7:56:53 PM EDT
    By posting things on this network, you are only reaching out to those who use the network. This can be your place to communicate with the leaders that frequent here. If you come across guild leaders that aren't on the network, try whispering them.

    This website is a great resource. Your questions can easily be answered here through messages or a forum post.
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    • 142 posts
    October 22, 2011 8:02:24 PM EDT
    The purpose of this site is to help roleplayers find premeditated roleplay and to help them communicate with one another. Not every guild, not every guild master, and not every guild member of an RP guild is a member of this site. If they are, not every member choses to use this site to recruit or organize. It is entirely optional. This site hasn't reached everyone because not everyone knows about it or uses it.

    If you seek unity solely for the sake of convenience, Kayonie, you are going to be let down by this idea. You are going to need to adapt your idea to the needs of many. You are going to need a more specific goal, and a concrete proposal in order to get the sort of support you are after. Even with those things, you need a certain degree of objectivity and impartiality in order to keep the thing from digressing into the most foul sort of drama.

    Unless that happens, I would be surprised if this went very far. I offer this not as a curse, omnition, damnation, or anything else - simply a realistic observation as someone who has been privy to the ebbs and flows, the idiosyncrasies and base machinations of this community for years.
  • October 22, 2011 10:33:48 PM EDT
    The list above has 35 guilds in it. Sure, not all 35 guild leaders are going to join in enthusiastically. But if even a handful of them come together to discuss RP goals, they could get stronger guilds and better RP out of it.

    Yes, if guild leader X wants to talk to guild leader W, a simple private message on the Network might handle that conversation adequately. But bringing together multiple people at once can generate dynamic conversation and open up some great ideas.