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Concerning the Nighthawks

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    • 29 posts
    October 5, 2011 4:10:17 PM EDT

    It's been brought to my attention that there's some things goin' down against the Nighthawks - without my knowledge. I'm actually sort of offended by the rudeness of these actions. I've spent several hours plotting this RP, coordinating it with other people, and encouraging others to participate legitimately (ephasis on legitimately).

     

    In case you can't tell, I want people involved legitimately with the RP. I don't want to block the RP from others wanting to get involved, but I will absolutely NOT stand for people to metagame knowledge about them, especially without my consent or coordinating with me before hand.

     

    For those of you who are metagaming knowledge and participating in said metagaming, you know who you are, I'm watching you, and I don't approve. Please cease and desist all metagaming immediately and in the future coordinate with myself and Monroe to involve yourself in the awesome that is the Nighthawk Storyline.

     

    Nighthawks can definetely be considered villians, I mean come on, they kill everything. Duh. But don't get out of hand OOC, we aren't our characters, we're good people. Please extend us the courtesy of coordinating with us about our RP that we worked so hard to bring to life.  

     

    That is all.

    • 29 posts
    October 5, 2011 4:32:44 PM EDT
    It probably would've been better to message these people, insteado of publicly denouncing and embarassing them, but I do hope things get resolved quickly and courteously. Roleplay is fun, and should not be bogged down by metagaming and OOC drama. Good luck, Ael.
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    October 5, 2011 5:00:11 PM EDT
    Perhaps here would be a good place to indicate what _is_ common knowledge about the Nighthawks.

    Or in my thread "What do we reasonably know".. /shameless request/

    Best wishes.
  • October 5, 2011 6:21:34 PM EDT

    To my knowlege not  much at all is known about them, if anything at all. From what ooc  I  am aware of, no one out side the plot he is working on,  would be aware...

     

    I have had  folks  come to me, rping that they have in some way or form found out about the NH-  I just over look it. Unless it is cleared by you.

     

    NH -is  your RP passion, and I appreciate you  allowing me  to a part it.

     

    *heart*


    This post was edited by Syvbia (Vonghal) Dragonbane at October 5, 2011 6:23:32 PM EDT
  • October 5, 2011 6:47:52 PM EDT
    ooc I'm sure people have figured several things out concerning the Nighthawks. I mean, most of you aren't stupid. :-p However, ic there are only two things known about them. First, is that they are based inside the Alliance. Second, they will do anything to succeed in their mission. Other than that, the only IC "knowledge" that people say they have of the Nighthawks is purely conjecture, rumor, and/or poorly formed imagination.
    • 29 posts
    October 5, 2011 8:01:51 PM EDT
    I'm not calling anyone out by name, and this isn't the first time someone has tried metagaming knowledge about the Nighthawks. Honestly I thought I took care of this the first time but I guess I was wrong. All I ask is that people coordinate about the Nighthawk RP with myself or Monroe. It's a simple courtesy that isn't too much to ask for.
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    October 5, 2011 8:25:20 PM EDT
    Nor will you call out someone by name, save via private message. There are less confrontational ways to ask better of your peers than this thread, Aelvaros. If this is a veiled message to one person in particular, it's already in the wrong place.
    • 29 posts
    October 5, 2011 8:31:58 PM EDT
    Obviously I won't call anyone out by name on a thread, I have some discretion. Nor is this directed at any one person in particular. I'm conveying my message in a public manor so everyone can see that this kind of thin simply won't be tolerated. If anyone wishing to be a part of Nighthawk RP, they simply need to coordinate. Only one person outside of the Legion has done so. I wish to impress upon people that to avoid drama and OOC backlash you NEED to coordinate with the people who formulated the RP In the process.
    • 115 posts
    October 6, 2011 12:25:28 AM EDT
    I think a lot of people don't understand that it is metagaming. You take one person who metagames and then legitimately tells 10 people then those ten people are unknowingly involved. By having a public thread this is hoping nipping this in the butt.
  • October 6, 2011 2:16:16 AM EDT

    Yes. People need to understand. Only thing known about the Nighthawks is this.

    1. They are a small Group and very well trained

    2. They leave no trace with which to track them By. (unless your a very, very skillled tracker)

    3. Their allegiance is unknown. Though they seem to be only targeting Horde villages, specifically civilian outposts.

    4. The places they attack leave no survivors, therfore no witnesses to explain what happaned.

    5. All their attacks have happaned deep in horde land, making it very unlikely that Alliance would be aware of it, mainly because the horde would never admit a small group causing so much havoc. Especially not to their number one enemy. (The Alliance)

    6. All the attacks have occured in the hillsbrad area. Targets have been isolated and alone. Few actually know of the targets (as they have not yet been listed on any maps). The Forsaken (And Blood Elves in the First Attack) that do know and know the settlements are gone would keep it quite. To avoid mass paranoia thoughout the horde.

     

    As far as I know that is everything, I may be wrong and dont be afraid to correct anything in that list Monroe or Aelvaros.  I support Monroe and Aelvaros 100%. And it goes with any Rp really. Coordinate the RP with the person who has worked hard to make it.

     

    Keep up the good work Aelvaros, Monroe the rest of the Legion. Its guys like you that make this realm and Rp in general awesome.


    This post was edited by Logart Dragonbane at October 6, 2011 2:21:52 AM EDT
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    October 6, 2011 2:24:32 AM EDT
    Valarian made a good point. Anyone can RP deducing the aforementioned facts and start an investigation from there. Whilst coordinating with me and Monroe, of course.
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    October 6, 2011 3:53:33 AM EDT

    Interesting, I wish I knew this was going on before planning a trek into Alterac recently. If I trip over you (not on this character) things will get down right entertaining


    This post was edited by Wyst at October 6, 2011 3:54:02 AM EDT
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    October 6, 2011 10:43:11 AM EDT
    This is not the right place for this.
    • 29 posts
    October 6, 2011 3:37:08 PM EDT
    I disagree, Mosur. I didn't name names, I wasn't disrespectful, and I wasn't inflammatory. I've simply had enough of the lack of communication about mine and Monroe's RP. I hope some people are embarrassed from reading this, but their embarrassment is confined to themselves as long as they don't go telling everyone, "Hey, I'm embarrassed that I didn't communicate with someone about their RP, they found out (for the second or third time) and decided it was high time to nip this in the bud with a post about it."
    To me, it boils down to a lack of respect for those who made the RP in the first place. Monroe and I both have asked people to consult and coordinate with us about Nighthawk RP and so far only one person has.
    But yes, I acknowledge that some people who are trying to participate have unknowingly acted on knowledge that someone ELSE told them, so they have no idea they're participating in Metagaming and I'm not upset at them.
    I have the solution: Ask me, talk to me, communicate with me. I'm not a bad guy, I'm willing to cooperate with people in a civil manner to hash out some RP plots for the future, but it erks me to think that people, not naming names, can't do that. I simply don't understand why.

    I answer in-game mail, in-game tells, and messages on earthingring.net
    Please, please, please contact me if you want to talk about the Nighthawks. If you want to know about them OOC I can tell you all you want to know! Just ask!

    And on another note: I'm not being underlyingly sarcastic, rude, snide. I don't think I'm better than anyone here, but I expect to be communicated with in the future about Nighthawk RP. Please show me some respect and communicate with me.
  • October 6, 2011 4:44:35 PM EDT

    With any event as large as this one it is going to be nealy impossible to control the ammount of information/misinformation about that event that is flowing around. This is an instant communication world and everyone knows everything. I understand the frustration at engaging in character conversation with someone who suddenly has info about your event that their character couldn't possibly have known, but thre is little that you can do about it. Yes, in a perfect world we would all know what is public and what is private information and we will respect those lines, but this ins't a perfect world.

    Also, do you you think that people are going out of their way to intentionally spread confidential information about this event? That they are in some way attemptint to sabatoge the event for their own personal gain?

    I don't know exactly what incidents you are reacting to, and frankly its none of my business, but to me it seems unlikely that anyone is intentionally trying to irritate you by spreading icly your information. It is far more likely that people are unawares about what their characters should and shouldn't know. An event of this magnitute is likely to have some leaks.


    Lets just hope that people are unintentionally bending the rules and not purposefully being agressive about information.

    Best of luck with the event and all. I hope that everything comes together for you.
    • 45 posts
    October 6, 2011 4:52:18 PM EDT
    Aelvaros Moratis said:
    I disagree, Mosur. I didn't name names, I wasn't disrespectful, and I wasn't inflammatory.

    For those of you who are metagaming knowledge and participating in said metagaming, you know who you are, I'm watching you,

     

    Is to what I was refering, it comes across in text as a threat. If you know who they are you should have adressed them individually and not im public. As for the WowRisk plot, I have read it and it seems liek a neat Idea but I fail on may occations to see things worked out completely soch as the question posed by the blood elf on what Victory ment, what do you win, for instance. Being clear yourself can help keep any of this from happening. I think that is unrelated to this to a degree it is simply a recent example I was able to recall.

     

    Anyway I hope things work out for the best reguardless of everything else.


    This post was edited by Mosur at October 6, 2011 4:53:11 PM EDT
  • October 6, 2011 4:57:05 PM EDT
    In case you didn't see, he didn't address any specific person. It was a broad generalization and nit-picking is a waste of everyone's time.
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    October 6, 2011 5:01:57 PM EDT
    "I'm watching you" refers to me watching what's going on, I'm not directly spying on anybody. I know of a few people who are spreading their "knowledge" but the rest remain unknown to me.

    I refuse to believe that it's too difficult for someone to send me a message or a PM on this server to discuss Nighthawk RP. All the information someone needs can be found out through myself or Monroe.

    The reason I'm so zealous about controlling this is because I don't want the spread of misinformation to ruin the RP of friends of mine within the Nighthawks. They're paying for someone else spreading what their character should not know.

    Explain to me how hard it is to communicate OOC about Nighthawk RP, because I don't want this event to turn out like the civil war event where everyone took turns pooping in each other's Raisin Bran.

    I don't mind discussing what can and cannot be done on this thread. I hope I don't come across as a jerk, that's not my intention. If people continue posting like they are, I have no problems countering with my point of view.
    Thank you all for not trolling this thread.
  • October 6, 2011 5:02:54 PM EDT
    This is why RPers get their own servers. So we can piss on eachother's sandcastles and be out of the way of the rest of the gaming world.
  • October 6, 2011 5:14:12 PM EDT
    As someone who has both strong negative and strong positive interactions, IC and OOC, with the Phantom Legion.

    And someone who spent three years moderating a forum of over 3000 belligerent people from across the globe.

    This thread seems acceptable to the parameters and guidelines given by the forum.

    The people who are dragging this on further may note Jaero has already posted on this forum, but has neither locked nor deleted it. if Jaero posts in the thread, and makes no disciplinary actions, then it is my hope that the Naysayers would politely take that as a "This thread is OK, guys."

    Let's nip something -else- in the butt before it gets out of hand, yes?
    • 29 posts
    October 6, 2011 5:21:06 PM EDT
    Yeah, thanks Alysdair. :P

    I do want to stress my main point, which I've stated several times. (Honestly, I don't think I can state it enough) IF you want to be involved in the Nighthawk RP, against or for them, please contact me or Monroe and we'll discuss it! That's all that has to happen.

    You can't spread misinformation if you talk to the people who made it in the first place. Just extend us THAT courtesy.